DESTROYED ARGUMENTS? Any Comments?

luke2261

Good links. I have done research into many of the subjects of the first link. Like the author of the write-up, I have found the truth very much different from the claims made. Many of the "gurus" take their stand on the citation keys or legal "tweets" that provide research tools for the case. When you read the entire case you find the citation keys are not the true facts of the ruleing. All they are intended to do is flag the case as having "POSSIBLE" use in the subject you may be researching.

One I came across recently is "I don't need a Driver's License to operate an automobile." The case cited for this claim is Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579. If you read the case it actually confirms that the State does have the authority to require a Driver's License. In fact, the case was brought to have a suspended DL reinstated.

Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself and read the whole court case and see if I'm not correct.

We the People, being part of the Republic we live in, elect those that we allow to govern us. We give them the authority to police us through our consent. If you don't believe they have the police power, just try driving without a drivers license and see where that gets you.

Quoting Joe Kelly:

"So I take issue with this:
"If you read the case it actually confirms that the State does have the authority to require a Driver's License."

"There is no such thing as a State having authority, and anyone making such claims is either one of the dictators who knows there is no such thing as a State having authority, or one of the dictators who actually thinks that the State has authority."

Mr. Kelly quotes Thomas Paine, but only the part that condemns government. He leaves out the more important part as to WHY we need governments as Mr. Paine wrote and is quoted below. If governments do not have a legitimate power to police the Governed why does our Declaration of Independence state "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

Quoting Thomas Paine:

"In order to gain a clear and just idea of the design and end of government, let us suppose a small number of persons settled in some sequestered part of the earth, unconnected with the rest; they will then represent the first peopling of any country, or of the world. In this state of natural liberty, society will be their first thought. A thousand motives will excite them thereto; the strength of one man is so unequal to his wants, and his mind so unfitted for perpetual solitude, that he is soon obliged to seek assistance and relief of another, who in his turn requires the same. Four or five united would be able to raise a tolerable dwelling in the midst of a wilderness, but one man might labour out the common period of life without accomplishing any thing; when he had felled his timber he could not remove it, nor erect it after it was removed; hunger in the mean time would urge him to quit his work, and every different want would call him a different way. Disease, nay even misfortune, would be death; for, though neither might be mortal, yet either would disable him from living, and reduce him to a state in which he might rather be said to perish than to die.

"Thus necessity, like a gravitating power, would soon form our newly arrived emigrants into society, the reciprocal blessings of which would supersede, and render the obligations of law and government unnecessary while they remained perfectly just to each other; but as nothing but Heaven is impregnable to vice, it will unavoidably happen that in proportion as they surmount the first difficulties of emigration, which bound them together in a common cause, they will begin to relax in their duty and attachment to each other: and this remissness will point out the necessity of establishing some form of government to supply the defect of moral virtue.

"Some convenient tree will afford them a State House, under the branches of which the whole Colony may assemble to deliberate on public matters. It is more than probable that their first laws will have the title only of Regulations and be enforced by no other penalty than public disesteem. In this first parliament every man by natural right will have a seat.

"But as the Colony encreases, the public concerns will encrease likewise, and the distance at which the members may be separated, will render it too inconvenient for all of them to meet on every occasion as at first, when their number was small, their habitations near, and the public concerns few and trifling. This will point out the convenience of their consenting to leave the legislative part to be managed by a select number chosen from the whole body, who are supposed to have the same concerns at stake which those have who appointed them, and who will act in the same manner as the whole body would act were they present. If the colony continue encreasing, it will become necessary to augment the number of representatives, and that the interest of every part of the colony may be attended to, it will be found best to divide the whole into convenient parts, each part sending its proper number: and that the ELECTED might never form to themselves an interest separate from the ELECTORS, prudence will point out the propriety of having elections often: because as the ELECTED might by that means return and mix again with the general body of the ELECTORS in a few months, their fidelity to the public will be secured by the prudent reflection of not making a rod for themselves. And as this frequent interchange will establish a common interest with every part of the community, they will mutually and naturally support each other, and on this, (not on the unmeaning name of king,) depends the STRENGTH OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE HAPPINESS OF THE GOVERNED.

"Here then is the origin and rise of government; namely, a mode rendered necessary by the inability of moral virtue to govern the world; here too is the design and end of government, viz. Freedom and security. And however our eyes may be dazzled with show, or our ears deceived by sound; however prejudice may warp our wills, or interest darken our understanding, the simple voice of nature and reason will say, 'tis right."

I state again, read the entire text of any document IN TOTAL to gain a true KNOWLEDGE for yourself of what the document really means. If WE the PEOPLE did not give our government police power over us, why did our Fore Fathers give government power over us, the Governed, via the Constitution and a law making body to write just laws and a way to correct unjust laws?

Governments are made up of men and women. Each is accountable to the people for abuses of the powers we the governed give them.

If you think the Constitution we live under is criminal then why don't you leave the nation for another?

This gent says it very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TSiJ2Gp058&index=85&list=PLABCC53F051B9...

You ONLY Need a DL if DRIVING in TRAFFIC (transportation of persons or property for hire) See:
Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1856) (supra): DRIVER. One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals; TRAFFIC. Commerce, trade, sale or exchange of merchandise, bills, money and the like, and See: several Editions of Black's Law Dictionary(s) as the transportation of persons or property for hire

ALSO see the definition (Bouvier's /Blacks) of LICENSE: a Grant of Authority do do that which is otherswise Unlawful;

Who owns the automobile (Holder /Holder in Due Course of M.S.O. (Manufacturer's Statement of Origin), THE 'STATE' in most cases, You only have a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE Evidencing that the 'STATE' hoilds the Lawful Title /Ownership of the automobile and lets you have LIMITED equitable interest and usage priviledges, if you're going to use MY car, you must obey MY Rules, and you must LICENSE ME (D.L.) to take your property without Due Process if you Break My Rules! -  So says the State!!!

HOWEVER, if you get the MSO when you buy a new car, there is no "STATE" CERTIFICATE OF TITLE, The MSO IS the TITLE /PROOF OF OWNERSHIP (Keep in safe place) and file Certified Copy into local County Recorder's Office;

If you buy a used car, initiate Administrative Procedures Act Proceeding <ACCEPTING OATH OF OFFICE CONTRACTS AND BONDS> on the head of the "STATE" Auto Licensing Authority (Department of Licensing /Department of Motor Vehicles /etc.) and inform them you recently tendered in excess of 20.00 in exchange for an interest in an automobile that had the "STATE(s)" Identification Plate on it, and you demand to have produced (Public Disclosure /FOIA laws) Evidence of the Valuable Consideration Tendered Article I, sec. 10, union Constitution) and Paid by the "STATE" to obtain an ownership interest in the auto and in exchange for the MSO so that you can 'make the "STATE" whole' by re-imbursing them for the amount Tendered /Paid and they can send you the MSO  <last time I did this the head of Washington's D. O. L. Expunged all record of Title /Licensing of the Automobile and then RESIGNED!!!>

At Puyallup, Washington, I was Carjacked & Kidnapped by a Policy-Enforcement (POLICE) Seargant, and I went after each of the Five (5) members of the City Council, One of whom is also the Mayor, for Failure to Properly Train and Supervise the Police Department in Breach of Oath CONTRACT, upon full Due Process there was NO CONTROVERSY to any FACT /Law set forth by Testimony Evidence (with appropriate EXHIBITS) and Each AGREED they Owed me, and the Trust that owned the Automobile 10 Million;

Using the process as a Teaching Aid, I had copies handed out at a law class I was teaching ... one of the Students commented "The Good Book says to Forgive thine enemies", the next day I received in the mail, NO RETURN ADDRESS, a stack of IRS 1099-C Forms (Cancelled debt as Income), I said OK God, You're telling me something ... so I took the FOUR Administrative Action ORIGINALS (City Council members NOT Mayor). turned them Over, Wrote FORGIVEN /DEBT OBLIGATION CANCELLED,  dated and signed each of them, filled out the IRS Form 1099-C for Each, sent the City Council Member the Cancelled ORIGINAL INSTRUMENT with the 1099-C, and copies of the 1099-C to IRS!

It seems that none of them could pay the tax on an extra 10 Million in income that next year's Tax Season, and the IRS took cars, homes, boats, jet-skis, bank accounts, retirement accounts, etc. and still didn't cover the Tax Debt!  The IRS apparently looked at the Process of the Forgiven /CANCELLED debt and found it had to do with the Police Department and Took all funds (except jail /prisoner trust fund) in Police accounts ... they started funding the Police with Fire Department funds ... the IRS apparently saw Co-mingling of funds, and started taking Fire Trucks and Medic Units from Fire Stations and the City had to ask the county to loan the City fire Trucks and Medic Units ...

Later that next year I was pulling out of a Restaurant Parking lot next to a Puyallup Police car, when the Officer Recognized me, he turned on Lights and Siren, crossed SIX LANES of HEAVY (Rush Hour) congestion, turned down a side street, turned off the lights /siren and continued on his way ... a couple weeks later I was coming up that same street into Puyallup, saw a PD car a couple blocks back, got in the right lane, slowed slightly until the PD car pulled even with me, the Officer looked at and Recognized me, the Lights /Siren across SIX LANES, down side street, and Lights /Siren Off and went on his way ... MAYBE the Mayor told them to NOT BE ON THE SAME STREET AS ME???

NO LICENSE from me OR any automobile I, or any company I run, owns!!!  Upon running something resembling my Name, Police Radios come back with (I've actually heard it) "DO NOT ARREST, DO NOT DETAIN, CALL RISK MANAGMENT IMMEDIATELY!"  

Apparently, if you OWN the auto, and the "STATE" does NOT own it, NO LICENSE(s) REQUIRED!!!

"Keny"
Infamous Keny
Kenneth-Wayne: Leaming.